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Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам05.11.2011 в 05:16#12592
Dorogoy Misha.
Prosto dlya Vas xotel rozesnit:
Sura 2-62:Imeetsa v vidu lyudi sleduyushie ucheniyam prorokov (mir im)iudei, xristiani i sanii (lyudi sleduyushie Abraxama (mir emu). Esli Vi sleduete ucheniyam etih prorokov a.s. (a ne serkvi, doktrin i lyudey), verite v Boga i Sudniy den,a takje sovershaete horoshie postupki, eti lyudi poluchat voznograjdenie ot Boga.Tak kak xoroshie postupki ne zabivaetsa Bogom.
Sura 98-6 govoritsa o xristian i iudeev, kotorie imeli besedu s Muhammadom s.a.v. i ne poverili emu.
Takje Bog v Kurane govorit 5-77, Скажи: "О люди Писания! Не излишествуйте в своей религии вопреки истине и не потакайте желаниями людей, которые еще раньше впали в заблуждение, ввели в заблуждение многих других и сбились с прямого пути".
Kuran 3-64:Скажи: "О люди Писания! Давайте придем к единому слову для нас и для вас, о том, что мы не будем поклоняться никому, кроме Аллаха, не будем приобщать к Нему никаких сотоварищей и не будем считать друг друга господами наряду с Аллахом". Если же они отвернутся, то скажите: "Свидетельствуйте, что мы являемся мусульманами".
Kogda ya govoril ob oshibkax, ya imel vvidu oshibki, kotorix nelza oprovergnut i te kotorie polnostyu protivorechyat k nauke.
Esli u Vas vremya budet, posmotrite otcheti xristianskoy uchenoy gruppi, kotoriy bil sozdan dlya ustroneniya oshibok Biblii v 2011 godu.Esli budite nastaivat, ya mogu napechatat paru iz nix. Dumayu etim ya mogu obidit moix druzey xristian. Bog ne sovershaet oshibki.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу05.11.2011 в 03:49#12591
Mir Vam Misha.
Ya izvenyayus, no nehochu stavit v izvetsnost svoe semeynoe mesto jitelstvo. I konechno xotelbi virazit glubokuyu priznatelnost za Vashe namerenie pomoch mne. Proshu Vas poterpet menya pol goda, posle chego ya reshil zanyatsa tolko naukoy i ne vstupat v raznie spori.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу04.11.2011 в 17:59#12568
dorogoy Misha, Spasibo za Vashu lyubeznost. V nastoyashee vremya ya v komandirovke v Koree na pol goda. Pripodoyu v xristianskom universitete arameyskiyi yaziki.Cherez 6 mesyachev (s Bojego pozvoleniya) pereedu v Germaniyu na postoyannuyu rabotu.
Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам04.11.2011 в 17:32#12564
Dorogoy Misha,
Gde v Korane tekst otlichaetsa ot ego Kommentarii? Pered chem chernit chujuyu veru, snachalobi izuchili svoyu.U Vas raznie metodi, no ni odin iz nix nepozvolyaet uvidit Vam oshibki Biblii.Ya bil bi priznatelnim, esli bi nashli xot odnu oshibku. Ya chital i chitayu mneniya raznix uchenix xristiansvo ob islame, v osnovnom masse eto protestanti. Ix mnenie voobshe ne viderjivaet ni kakoy kritiki.V osnovnom oni opirayutsa na loj. Kak za osnovu Vi mojete bzyat knigu Protestantov "27 oshibok Karana" ili drugie isticnniki (vidno Vi znokomi snimi).
Za kajduyu oshibku (esli Vi smojeti nayti) v Karane, ya budu naxodit 10 oshibok v Biblii. Vi soglasni?
Po etomu, ya proshu i musulman i xristian bit chestnimi pered Bogom i soboy (esli Vi boites Boga) v analiza lyubix pisaniy.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу04.11.2011 в 05:33#12541
Mir Vam Misha. Da net, ya proshu u Vas proshenie za moy nedostatok, tak kak gde ya jivu netu russkoy klaviaturi.
Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам03.11.2011 в 18:02#12527
Dorogie Xristiani i Musulmani, vse Vi pravi po svoyemu mneniyu. Tak kak Vi opiraetes na teksti pisaniy i schitaete sebya pravim. V perevodax Biblii (imenno v perevodax) mojna nayti mesta, dokazivayushiy o Troise, chto Isus (mir emu)sin Boga ili chto Bog eto muj i jena (Boje prosti menya za eti slova), tak kak kak ranee govoril, kajdiy perevodchik perevodit po svoemu ponimaniyu.Tak po etomu do 15 veka bilo zapresheno perevodit Bibliyu na drugie yaziki.I eti voprosi o kotorix ya upomenul, yavlyayutsa bolshim spornim momentom mejdu xristianskimi uchenami.
Po etomu, ya privedu pozisiyu musulman po etomu voprosu, na chto ne obyazatelno sporit, tak kak etot spor idet bolee 1400 let. Eto prosto dlya nashix druzey xristian, chtob oni bili v kurse chto govoryat musulmani (a takje Vi mojete ix ispolzovat v svoey missionerskoy deyatelnosti).
1. Otnositelno Troise est nekotorie stixi Biblii, ukazivaeshie na eto. Odnako etot vopros dovolno sporniy mejdu xristianskimi uchenimi, tak kak pervichnix istochnikax datiruemix ranee 4 veka, takix ponyatix kak Troitsa netu.Po etomu v novix Bibliyax eti stixi potexonko ne pechatuyutsa. Eto mojno ubiditsa daje vzyav v ruki novie komentarii k Biblii.
Chisla 23-19 Бог не человек, чтоб Ему лгать, и не сын человеческий, чтоб Ему изменяться. Он ли скажет и не сделает? будет говорить и не исполнит?
Isxod 34-14 ибо ты не должен поклоняться богу иному, кроме Господа; потому что имя Его--ревнитель; Он Бог ревнитель.
Vtorozakonie 6-4 Слушай, Израиль: Господь, Бог наш, Господь един есть;
Mark 12-29 Иисус отвечал ему: первая из всех заповедей: слушай, Израиль! Господь Бог наш есть Господь единый;
Matfey 4-10 Тогда Иисус говорит ему: отойди от Меня, сатана, ибо написано: Господу Богу твоему поклоняйся и Ему одному служи.
Isaiya 46-9 вспомните прежде бывшее, от [начала] века, ибо Я Бог, и нет иного Бога, и нет подобного Мне.
Matfey 19-16 И вот, некто, подойдя, сказал Ему: Учитель благий! что сделать мне доброго, чтобы иметь жизнь вечную?
17 Он же сказал ему: что ты называешь Меня благим? Никто не благ, как только один Бог. Если же хочешь войти в жизнь [вечную], соблюди заповеди.
2. Musulmani ne mogut ponyat kak Isus (mir emu) mojet bit Bogom. Tak kak nekotorie xristiani govoryat chto Isus a.s.i Bog i chelovek. To est esli on Bog to on imeet neogranichennuyu silu a esli chelovek to on ogranichan. To est mi nemojem ponyat kak odnovremenno ktoto mojet bit neogranichennim i ogranichennim odnovremenno. Eto kak odin iz uchenix skazal kak budto "kvadrat krugliy".
Ioanna 14-28 Вы слышали, что Я сказал вам: иду от вас и приду к вам. Если бы вы любили Меня, то возрадовались бы, что Я сказал: иду к Отцу; ибо Отец Мой более Меня.
Ioanna 5-30 Я ничего не могу творить Сам от Себя. Как слышу, так и сужу, и суд Мой праведен; ибо не ищу Моей воли, но воли пославшего Меня Отца.
Deyaniya Apostolov 2-22 Мужи Израильские! выслушайте слова сии: Иисуса Назорея, Мужа, засвидетельствованного вам от Бога силами и чудесами и знамениями, которые Бог сотворил через Него среди вас, как и сами знаете,
3. Otnositelno togo, chto Isus sin Bojiy,musulmani govoryat chto v Biblii pochti vse Bogoboyaznennie lyudi nazivalis sinovyami Bojim (Adam, Moisey a.s.i.t.d.).
Tak sitiruya Bibliyu mojno prodoljat do beskonechnosti. A chto interesno, vse dokazivayut svoyu pravotu cherez Bibliyu, opirayas na odnu tochku zreniya.
Po etomu proshu ostavit etot spor, tak kak po perevodam Biblii mojno dokazat i tu i druguyu pozitsiyu.
Jelayu Vsem dushevnogo mira.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу02.11.2011 в 15:11#12478
Dorogoy Misha.
Razreshite mne rasskazat kak Moisey (mir emu) prinel Toru, v sootvetstvii s klassicheskimi istochnikami (Midrash i Talmud). Tak v sootvetstvii s Rashi, Moisey a.s. do uxoda v goru dal lyudyam pismennuyu versiyu Bitiya i chast Isxoda. Eto bilo napisano sobstvennoruchno im. (Pochti vse uchenie soglasilis, chto oni bili napisani im v sootvetstvii s rannimi tradisiyami).
Posle etogo On (mir emu) uxodit v goru Sinay na 40 dney i nochey. Tam Bog daet znanie ili otkrovrnie, i on pishet novie zakoni sobstvennoruchno.Eto Parshat i Mishpatim, kotorie stali kak bi grajdanskimi zakonami. Eto uchenie o Moiseye, priznano pochti vsemi uchenami xristiansvo i iudaizma.
Kogda ya govoril chto Muhammad (mir emu) prinyal Karan, ya imel vvidu soderjanie a ne kak knigu. Vi pravi chto Muhammad s.a.v. prinyal ustnie poslanie. No Vi ne pravi v tom, chto perviy pismenniy Kuran bil napisan neskolko desyatiletiya posle smerti Muhammada s.a.v. Perviy pismenniy Kuran bil napisan po prikazu Muhammada a.s.v. pri ego jizni. Tak on prikazival pisat tekst Kurana na shkurax jivotnix.Posle etogo on lichno prosil spodvijnikov r.a. proverit na predmet sootvetstviya k ego slovam.Eto bil perviy pismenniy Kuran napisanniy pri jizni Proroka s.a.v. Posle Ego smerti, srazu Xalif Ubu Bakr r.a. (on bil Xalifom vsego 2.5 goda posle smerti Muhammada s.a.v., to est on projil vsego 2.5 goda posle smerti Muhammada s.a.v.) prikazal obedinit vse pisaniya v forme odnoy knigi. Posle smerti Muhammada s.a.v. etot Kuran xronilsa u jeni Muhammada s.a.v. u Hafsah r.a.
Pozje, xalif Usman r.a. izdaet ukaz perepechatat iz etogo Kurana kopii, i otpravlayet ix vo vse islamskie strani.
V pervie Kuran v tirajnom versii bil izdan imenno pri Xalife Usmane r.a.
Odin iz etih kopiy seychas xranitsa v Istambule,a vtoroy esli ne oshibayus v Tashkente.
Udaci Vam.
Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам02.11.2011 в 13:50#12473
Mir Vam Aleksey.
V lyubom religii problemi i raznie techeniya poyavlyayutsa ot neznaniya religii. Vot zdes Vi toje staraetes pod Vashi ponimanie podvesti i Islam. Lyuboy bolee ili menee obrazovanniy musulmanin skajet, chto Kuran yavlyaetsa universalnim putevoditelem v zavisimosti ot kakix obstoyatelstv ix teksti bili nisposlani. Tak esli vo vremya voyni skazano ubivat, to eto nelza delat vo vremya mira. V etom net problem v islame.
Ochen proshu Vas pri rassmotrenii i Biblii i Kurana bit chestnim pered Bogom i pered soboy, to est ne vdovatsa v dvoynie standarti. Vse musulmani pochitayut Bibliyu, eto predpisanie Proroka Muhammada s.a.v. Nikakoy musulmanin (esli on normalniy) ne pozvolit sebe ploxoe otnoshenie s Bibliey.
Odna iz problem Biblii (ili lyudey), chto vo vremya dlitelnogo istoricheskogo prosessa lyudi sovershali mnogo ploxie postupki. No Bibliya v bolshinstve mest ne ukazivaet chto eto ploxo I ne nakazivaet (primer Bitie 38). Tak poznee lyude schitayut chto eto pozvoleno.
Seychas mnogie serkvi pitayutsa razdelit Vetxiy zavet I Noviy zovet. Xotya Pavel govoril kto popitaetsa eto sdelat, to on ne xristianin. V sootvetstvii s ucheniem Isusa (mir emu) vse zakoni Vetxogo zaveta doljni ispolnyatsa. Kak Isus a.s.skazal (Matvey 5) 17:Не думайте, что Я пришел нарушить закон или пророков: не нарушить пришел Я, но исполнить..
Nelza sravnivat Bibliyu i Kuran, eto dve raznie veshi. Kuran eto kniga ot Boga na originalnom yazike(tak vse uchenie islama soglasni v etom).
Bibliya eta kniga soderjashaya slova Boga, Prorokov (mir im), Apostolov I ucheniya serkvi ili lyudey, bibliografov i.t.d., koterie poterpeli neskolko perevodov (eto priznano pochti vsemi uchenami xristiansvo). Kajdiy perevodchik perevodit tekst v sootvetstvii kak on ponimaet etot vopros. Tak esli vzyat molitvu ili poklonenie Bogu, to v sootvetstvii s Bibliey:
Bitie 17-3 И пал Аврам на лице свое. Бог продолжал говорить с ним и сказал:
Chisla 16-4 Моисей, услышав это, пал на лице свое
1 Sarstv 20-41 Отрок пошел, а Давид поднялся с южной стороны и пал лицем своим на землю и трижды поклонился; и целовали они друг друга, и плакали оба вместе, но Давид плакал более.
2.Paralip. 20-18 И преклонился Иосафат лицем до земли, и все Иудеи и жители Иерусалима пали пред Господом, чтобы поклониться Господу.
Matfey 26-39 И, отойдя немного, пал на лице Свое, молился и говорил: Отче Мой! если возможно, да минует Меня чаша сия; впрочем не как Я хочу, но как Ты.
Otkroveniya Ioanna 7-11 И все Ангелы стояли вокруг престола и старцев и четырех животных, и пали перед престолом на лица свои, и поклонились Богу,
A seychas Bogu kak poklanyayutsa i molyatsa? Eto bil konechno ritoricheskiy vopros. Takix primerov mnogo. Udachi Vam moy drug.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу31.10.2011 в 20:33#12438
Dorogoy Misha.
Esli otkroete komentarii k Biblii,pochti vo vsex skazano chto v stixe Pesnii Salomona 5:16 imeetsa vvidu Isus a.s.No musulmane schitayut eto mojet bit Muhammad s.a.v.
V Biblii skolkoje upominaniy o Muhammade kak v Vetxom zaveta ob Isuse a.s.
V Biblii vo mnogix mestax Isus a.s. govorit o prixode kogota posle sebya. Tak v Biblii Isus a.s. gavoril (Ioana 16) 7 Но Я истину говорю вам: лучше для вас, чтобы Я пошел; ибо, если Я не пойду, Утешитель не приидет к вам; а если пойду, то пошлю Его к вам,
8 и Он, придя, обличит мир о грехе и о правде и о суде:
9 о грехе, что не веруют в Меня;
10 о правде, что Я иду к Отцу Моему, и уже не увидите Меня;
11 о суде же, что князь мира сего осужден.
12 Еще многое имею сказать вам; но вы теперь не можете вместить.
13 Когда же приидет Он, Дух истины, то наставит вас на всякую истину: ибо не от Себя говорить будет, но будет говорить, что услышит, и будущее возвестит вам.
14 Он прославит Меня, потому что от Моего возьмет и возвестит вам.
15 Все, что имеет Отец, есть Мое; потому Я сказал, что от Моего возьмет и возвестит вам.
Tak musulmani govotryat chto etot utisitel bil Muhammad s.a.v. No xristiane govoryat eto svyatoy dux. Musulmani govoryat chto svyatoy dux bil i do Isusa a.s. Tak i prodoljaetsa spor.
Tak eshe v Isaie 29 gavoritsa.
11 И всякое пророчество для вас то же, что слова в запечатанной книге, которую подают умеющему читать книгу и говорят: `прочитай ее'; и тот отвечает: `не могу, потому что она запечатана'.
12 И передают книгу тому, кто читать не умеет, и говорят: `прочитай ее'; и тот отвечает: `я не умею читать'.
13 И сказал Господь: так как этот народ приближается ко Мне устами своими, и языком своим чтит Меня, сердце же его далеко отстоит от Меня, и благоговение их предо Мною есть изучение заповедей человеческих; Tocno tak Muhammad s.a.v. prinyal Kuran.
Nu takix spornix momentov mnogo. Eto informasiya ne dlya togo chtob sporit.
Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам31.10.2011 в 19:23#12437
V prodoljenii xotel bi skozat, chto musulmane polzuyutsya vsemi ayatami Karana v zamisimosti pri kakix obstoyatelstvax oni bili nisposlani. Esli vo vremya voyni, to eti ayati primenimi vo vremya voyni i.t.d. Est selaya nauka Tafsir v Islame. Eto nauka interpritiruet Karan v sootvetstvii xadisam Muhammada s.a.v.
Ya izvenyayus, ne xotelos na vopros eshe vopros zadovat, no prosto mne interesno, esli Vi tak ne poneli kak polzovatsa Vami upomyanutimi oayatami, kak Vi polzuetes sleduyushimi stixami Biblii:
Исход 21.7 Если кто продаст дочь свою в рабыни, то она не может выйти, как выходят рабы;
-Книга Судей 21.И послало туда общество двенадцать тысяч человек, мужей сильных, и дали им приказание, говоря: идите и поразите жителей Иависа Галаадского мечом, и женщин и детей.
-Второзаконие 22.20-21.Если же сказанное будет истинно, и не найдется девства у отроковицы,
то отроковицу пусть приведут к дверям дома отца ее, и жители города ее побьют ее камнями до смерти, ибо она сделала срамное дело среди Израиля, блудодействовав в доме отца своего; и [так] истреби зло из среды себя.
-1-я Царств 15.3 теперь иди и порази Амалика, и истреби все, что у него; и не давай пощады ему, но предай смерти от мужа до жены, от отрока до грудного младенца, от вола до овцы, от верблюда до осла.
-Луки 19.27 врагов же моих тех, которые не хотели, чтобы я царствовал над ними, приведите сюда и избейте предо мною.
-2-я Паралипоменон 15.13 а всякий, кто не станет искать Господа Бога Израилева, должен умереть, малый ли он или большой, мужчина ли или женщина.
Аватар PeterОтношение мусульман к христианам31.10.2011 в 18:54#12436
Mir Vam Aleksey. Chtobi ponyat Karan nado znat kontekst Karana i ego intopritasiyu so slov Muhammada s.a.v. To est pri kakix obstoyatelsv on bil nisposlan. Tak primeru vo vremya voyni ili mirniy period i.t.d. Otvechya na Vash vopros:
1. V Karane sure 5-82, esli Vi prochitaete ves ayat to poymete chto Bog govorit chto xtistiane blije v lyubvi k musulmanam chem nejeli iudei.
2. V sure 5-51, perevod na russkiy yazik ne tak uj tochen. Na arabskom yazike ispolzovano slovo "Auliya". Eto slovo mojno perevsti primerno kak "soyuznik".To est zdes govoritsa chtob musulmane ne vstupali v raznie soyuzi. I eto ne oznochaet chto musulmani doljni ploxo otnositsa k lyudyam pisaniya.
3. Sura 9-29 bil nisposlan v 630 godu vo vremya voyni v Mekke. A tot dan kotoriy govoritsa v perevode yavlyaetsa "jizya", to est gosudarsvenniy nalog, vzimaeniy ot nemusulman za ix zashitu.V zamen za uplatu etogo naloga oni osvobojdalis ot uplati islamskix nalogov.
Vopros o tom kak i kem bilnisposlan Karan Vam nado izuchat islam chut glubje. Dlya nachalo nada vam prochitat suru "Alaq" i v kachestve komentarii k nemu xadisi Muhammada s.a.v. otnosyashie k etomu momentu.
Аватар PeterБезжалостное искажение текста Библии 30.10.2011 в 07:06#12405
Salam vsem.
Dorogoy Oleg. Ochen rad chto Vi pitaetes izuchat Bibliyu. Smotrya na Vashi kommenti ya spominayu sebya. Ya toje kak Vi uchas v Bibleyskom universitete reagiroval kak Vi. No so vremenem eto proshlo, kogda ya chesno osoznal gde ya prav i gde net. Eto prixodit s izucheniem Biblii ne tolko perevodov no i pervichnix istochnikov. Na schet chto Biblii netu protivirechiy, zdes Vi gluboko oshibaetes. Svoe vremya musulmanskiy ucheniy po xristianstvu Shabir Ally (kogo ya ochen uvajayu) napisal knigu 101 protivorechiy v Biblii. Mi s uchenami nachili gotovit oproverjenie k ego knige. V osnovnom mi nashli koe kakie otveti na nix, no bolee desyati protivorechiyam mi ne smogli nayti otveti. Togda vsya gruppa uchenix soglasilis cho eti protivirechiya doljni bit isklyucheni iz Biblii.
101 Contradictions in the Bible:

101 Clear Contradictions in the Bible

Shabir Ally

1. Who incited David to count the fighting men of Israel?

God did (2 Samuel 24: 1)
Satan did (I Chronicles 2 1:1)

2. In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel?

Eight hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
One million, one hundred thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

3. How many fighting men were found in Judah?

Five hundred thousand (2 Samuel 24:9)
Four hundred and seventy thousand (I Chronicles 21:5)

4. God sent his prophet to threaten David with how many years of famine?

Seven (2 Samuel 24:13)
Three (I Chronicles 21:12)

5. How old was Ahaziah when he began to rule over Jerusalem?

Twenty-two (2 Kings 8:26)
Forty-two (2 Chronicles 22:2)

6. How old was Jehoiachin when he became king of Jerusalem?

Eighteen (2 Kings 24:8)
Eight (2 Chronicles 36:9)

7. How long did he rule over Jerusalem?

Three months (2 Kings 24:8)
Three months and ten days (2 Chronicles 36:9)

8. The chief of the mighty men of David lifted up his spear and killed how many men at one time?

Eight hundred (2 Samuel 23:8)
Three hundred (I Chronicles 11: 11)

9. When did David bring the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem? Before defeating the Philistines or after?

After (2 Samuel 5 and 6)
Before (I Chronicles 13 and 14)

10. How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?

Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

11. When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture?

One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)

12. How many stalls for horses did Solomon have?

Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26)
Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)

13. In what year of King Asa's reign did Baasha, King of Israel die?

Twenty-sixth year (I Kings 15:33 - 16:8)
Still alive in the thirty-sixth year (2 Chronicles 16:1)

14. How many overseers did Solomon appoint for the work of building the temple?

Three thousand six hundred (2 Chronicles 2:2)
Three thousand three hundred (I Kings 5:16)

15. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?

Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

16. Of the Israelites who were freed from the Babylonian captivity, how many were the children of Pahrath-Moab?

Two thousand eight hundred and twelve (Ezra 2:6)
Two thousand eight hundred and eighteen (Nehemiah 7:11)

17. How many were the children of Zattu?

Nine hundred and forty-five (Ezra 2:8)
Eight hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:13)

18. How many were the children of Azgad?

One thousand two hundred and twenty-two (Ezra 2:12)
Two thousand three hundred and twenty-two (Nehemiah 7:17)

19. How many were the children of Adin?

Four hundred and fifty-four (Ezra 2:15)
Six hundred and fifty-five (Nehemiah 7:20)

20. How many were the children of Hashum?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:19)
Three hundred and twenty-eight (Nehemiah 7:22)

21. How many were the children of Bethel and Ai?

Two hundred and twenty-three (Ezra 2:28)
One hundred and twenty-three (Nehemiah 7:32)

22. Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:

29,818 (Ezra)
31,089 (Nehemiah)

23. How many singers accompanied the assembly?

Two hundred (Ezra 2:65)
Two hundred and forty-five (Nehemiah 7:67)

24. What was the name of King Abijahs mother?

Michaiah, daughter of Uriel of Gibeah (2 Chronicles 13:2)
Maachah, daughter of Absalom (2 Chronicles 11:20) But Absalom had only one daughter whose name was Tamar (2 Samuel 14:27)

25. Did Joshua and the Israelites capture Jerusalem?

Yes (Joshua 10:23, 40)
No (Joshua 15:63)

26. Who was the father of Joseph, husband of Mary?

Jacob (Matthew 1:16)
Hell (Luke 3:23)

27. Jesus descended from which son of David?

Solomon (Matthew 1:6)
Nathan(Luke3:31)

28. Who was the father of Shealtiel?

Jechoniah (Matthew 1:12)
Neri (Luke 3:27)

29. Which son of Zerubbabel was an ancestor of Jesus Christ?

Abiud (Matthew 1: 13)
Rhesa (Luke 3:27) But the seven sons of Zerubbabel are as follows: i.Meshullam, ii. Hananiah, iii. Hashubah, iv. Ohel, v.Berechiah, vi. Hasadiah, viii. Jushabhesed (I Chronicles 3:19, 20). The names Abiud and Rhesa do not fit in anyway.

30. Who was the father of Uzziah?

Joram (Matthew 1:8)
Amaziah (2 Chronicles 26:1)

31. Who was the father of Jechoniah?

Josiah (Matthew 1:11)
Jeholakim (I Chronicles 3:16)

32. How many generations were there from the Babylonian exile until Christ?

Matthew says fourteen (Matthew 1:17)
But a careful count of the generations reveals only thirteen (see Matthew 1: 12-16)

33. Who was the father of Shelah?

Cainan (Luke 3:35-36)
Arphaxad (Genesis II: 12)

34. Was John the Baptist Elijah who was to come?

Yes (Matthew II: 14, 17:10-13)
No (John 1:19-21)

35. Would Jesus inherit Davids throne?

Yes. So said the angel (Luke 1:32)
No, since he is a descendant of Jehoiakim (see Matthew 1: I 1, I Chronicles 3:16). And Jehoiakim was cursed by God so that none of his descendants can sit upon Davids throne (Jeremiah 36:30)

36. Jesus rode into Jerusalem on how many animals?

One - a colt (Mark 11:7; cf Luke 19:3 5). And they brought the colt to Jesus and threw their garments on it; and he sat upon it.
Two - a colt and an ass (Matthew 21:7). They brought the ass and the colt and put their garments on them and he sat thereon.

37. How did Simon Peter find out that Jesus was the Christ?

By a revelation from heaven (Matthew 16:17)
His brother Andrew told him (John 1:41)

38. Where did Jesus first meet Simon Peter and Andrew?

By the sea of Galilee (Matthew 4:18-22)
On the banks of river Jordan (John 1:42). After that, Jesus decided to go to Galilee (John 1:43)

39. When Jesus met Jairus was Jairus daughter already dead?

Yes. Matthew 9:18 quotes him as saying, My daughter has just died.
No. Mark 5:23 quotes him as saying, My little daughter is at the point of death.

40. Did Jesus allow his disciples to keep a staff on their journey?

Yes (Mark 6:8)
No (Matthew 10:9; Luke 9:3)

41. Did Herod think that Jesus was John the Baptist?

Yes (Matthew 14:2; Mark 6:16)
No (Luke 9:9)

42. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus before his baptism?

Yes (Matthew 3:13-14)
No (John 1:32,33)

43. Did John the Baptist recognize Jesus after his baptism?

Yes (John 1:32, 33)
No (Matthew 11:2)

44. According to the Gospel of John, what did Jesus say about bearing his own witness?

If I bear witness to myself, my testimony is not true (John 5:3 1)
Even if I do bear witness to myself, my testimony is true (John 8:14)

45. When Jesus entered Jerusalem did he cleanse the temple that same day?

Yes (Matthew 21:12)
No. He went into the temple and looked around, but since it was very late he did nothing. Instead, he went to Bethany to spend the night and returned the next morning to cleanse the temple (Mark I 1:1- 17)

46. The Gospels say that Jesus cursed a fig tree. Did the tree wither at once?

Yes. (Matthew 21:19)
No. It withered overnight (Mark II: 20)

47. Did Judas kiss Jesus?

Yes (Matthew 26:48-50)
No. Judas could not get close enough to Jesus to kiss him (John 18:3-12)

48. What did Jesus say about Peters denial?

The cock will not crow till you have denied me three times (John 13:38)
Before the cock crows twice you will deny me three times (Mark 14:30) . When the cock crowed once, the three denials were not yet complete (see Mark 14:72). Therefore prediction (a) failed.

49. Did Jesus bear his own cross?

Yes (John 19:17)
No (Matthew 27:31-32)

50. Did Jesus die before the curtain of the temple was torn?

Yes (Matthew 27:50-51; Mark lS:37-38)
No. After the curtain was torn, then Jesus crying with a loud voice, said, Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! And having said this he breathed his last (Luke 23:45-46)

51. Did Jesus say anything secretly?

No. I have said nothing secretly (John 18:20)
Yes. He did not speak to them without a parable, but privately to his own disciples he explained everything (Mark 4:34). The disciples asked him Why do you speak to them in parables? He said, To you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given (Matthew 13: 1 0-11)

52. Where was Jesus at the sixth hour on the day of the crucifixion?

On the cross (Mark 15:23)
In Pilates court (John 19:14)

53. The gospels say that two thieves were crucified along with Jesus. Did both thieves mock Jesus?

Yes (Mark 15:32)
No. One of them mocked Jesus, the other defended Jesus (Luke 23:43)

54. Did Jesus ascend to Paradise the same day of the crucifixion?

Yes. He said to the thief who defended him, Today you will be with me in Paradise (Luke 23:43)
No. He said to Mary Magdelene two days later, I have not yet ascended to the Father (John 20:17)

55. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with him hear the voice?

Yes (Acts9:7)
No (Acts22:9)

56. When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?

Yes (Acts 26:14)
No (Acts 9:7)

57. Did the voice spell out on the spot what Pauls duties were to be?

Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he must do. (Acts9:7;22: 10)

58. When the Israelites dwelt in Shittin they committed adultery with the daughters of Moab. God struck them with a plague. How many people died in that plague?

Twenty-four thousand (Numbers 25:1 and 9)
Twenty-three thousand (I Corinthians 10:8)

59. How many members of the house of Jacob came to Egypt?

Seventy souls (Genesis 4 & 27)
Seventy-five souls (Acts 7:14)

60. What did Judas do with the blood money he received for betraying Jesus?

He bought a field (Acts 1: 18)
He threw all of it into the temple and went away. The priests could not put the blood money into the temple treasury, so they used it to buy a field to bury strangers (Matthew 27:5)

61. How did Judas die?

After he threw the money into the temple he went away and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5)
After he bought the field with the price of his evil deed he fell headlong and burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18)

62. Why is the field called Field of Blood?

Because the priests bought it with the blood money (Matthew 27:8)
Because of the bloody death of Judas therein (Acts 1:19)

63. Who is a ransom for whom?

The Son of Man came...to give his life as a ransom for many (Mark 10:45). Christ Jesus who gave himself as a ransom for all... (I Timothy 2:5-6)
The wicked is a ransom for the righteous, and the faithless for the upright (Proverbs 21:18)

64. Is the law of Moses useful?

Yes. All scripture is... profitable... (2 Timothy 3:16)
No. . . . A former commandment is set aside because of its weakness and uselessness... (Hebrews 7:18)

65. What was the exact wording on the cross?

This is Jesus the King of the Jews (Matthew 27:37)
The King of the Jews (Mark 15:26)
This is the King of the Jews (Luke 23:38)
Jesus of Nazareth, the King of the Jews (John 19:19)

66. Did Herod want to kill John the Baptist?

Yes (Matthew 14:5)
No. It was Herodias, the wife of Herod who wanted to kill him. But Herod knew that he was a righteous man and kept him safe (Mark 6:20)

67. Who was the tenth disciple of Jesus in the list of twelve?

Thaddaeus (Matthew 10: 1-4; Mark 3:13 -19)
Judas son of James is the corresponding name in Lukes gospel (Luke 6:12-16)

68. Jesus saw a man sitat the tax collectors office and called him to be his disciple. What was his name?

Matthew (Matthew 9:9)
Levi (Mark 2:14; Luke 5:27)

69. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?

After (Mark 14:12-17)
Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilates judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

70. Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?

Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
No. (John 12:27)

71. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did he move away from his disciples to pray?

Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

72. Matthew and Mark agree that Jesus went away and prayed three times. What were the words of the second prayer?

Mark does not give the words but he says that the words were the same as the first prayer (Mark 14:3 9)
Matthew gives us the words, and we can see that they are not the same as in the first (Matthew 26:42)

73. What did the centurion say when Jesus dies?

Certainly this man was innocent (Luke 23:47)
Truly this man was the Son of God (Mark 15:39)

74. When Jesus said My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken Me ? in what language did he speak?

Hebrew: the words are Eloi, Eloi ..(Matthew 27:46)
Aramaic: the words are Eloi, Eloi .. (Mark 15:34)

75. According to the gospels, what were the last words of Jesus before he died?

Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit! (Luke 23:46)
"It is finished" (John 19:30)

76. When Jesus entered Capernaum he healed the slave of a centurion. Did the centurion come personally to request Jesus for this?

Yes (Matthew 8:5)
No. He sent some elders of the Jews and his friends (Luke 7:3,6)

77.

Adam was told that if and when he eats the forbidden fruit he would die the same day (Genesis 2:17)
Adam ate the fruit and went on to live to a ripe old age of 930 years (Genesis 5:5)

78.

God decided that the life-span of humans will be limited to 120 years (Genesis 6:3)
Many people born after that lived longer than 120. Arpachshad lived 438 years. His son Shelah lived 433 years. His son Eber lived 464 years, etc. (Genesis 11:12-16)

79. Apart from Jesus did anyone else ascend to heaven?

No (John 3:13)
Yes. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (2 Kings 2:11)

80. Who was high priest when David went into the house of God and ate the consecrated bread?

Abiathar (Mark 2:26)
Ahimelech, the father of Abiathar (I Samuel 1:1; 22:20)

81. Was Jesus body wrapped in spices before burial in accordance with Jewish burial customs?

Yes and his female disciples witnessed his burial (John 19:39-40)
No. Jesus was simply wrapped in a linen shroud. Then the women bought and prepared spices so that they may go and anoint him [Jesus) (Mark 16: 1)

82. When did the women buy the spices?

After the Sabbath was past (Mark 16:1)
Before the Sabbath. The women prepared spices and ointments. Then, on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment (Luke 23:55 to 24:1)

83. At what time of day did the women visit the tomb?

Toward the dawn (Matthew 28: 1)
When the sun had risen (Mark 16:2)

84. What was the purpose for which the women went to the tomb?

To anoint Jesus body with spices (Mark 16: 1; Luke 23:55 to 24: 1)
To see the tomb. Nothing about spices here (Matthew 28: 1)
For no specified reason. In this gospel the wrapping with spices had been done before the Sabbath (John 20: 1)

85. A large stone was placed at the entrance of the tomb. Where was the stone when the women arrived?

They saw that the stone was Rolled back (Mark 16:4) They found the stone rolled away from the tomb (Luke 24:2) They saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb (John 20:1)
As the women approached, an angel descended from heaven, rolled away the stone, and conversed with the women. Matthew made the women witness the spectacular rolling away of the stone (Matthew 28:1-6)

86. Did anyone tell the women what happened to Jesus body?

Yes. A young man in a white robe (Mark 16:5). Two men ... in dazzling apparel later described as angels (Luke 24:4 and 24:23). An angel - the one who rolled back the stone (Matthew 16:2). In each case the women were told that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matthew 28:7; Mark 16:6; Luke 24:5 footnote)
No. Mary met no one and returned saying, They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him (John 20:2)

87. When did Mary Magdelene first meet the resurrected Jesus? And how did she react?

Mary and the other women met Jesus on their way back from their first and only visit to the tomb. They took hold of his feet and worshipped him (Matthew 28:9)
On her second visit to the tomb Mary met Jesus just outside the tomb. When she saw Jesus she did not recognize him. She mistook him for the gardener. She still thinks that Jesus body is laid to rest somewhere and she demands to know where. But when Jesus said her name she at once recognized him and called him Teacher. Jesus said to her, Do not hold me... (John 20:11 to 17)

88. What was Jesus instruction for his disciples?

Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me (Matthew 2 8: 10)
Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God (John 20:17)

89. When did the disciples return to Galilee?

Immediately, because when they saw Jesus in Galilee some doubted (Matthew 28:17). This period of uncertainty should not persist
After at least 40 days. That evening the disciples were still in Jerusalem (Luke 24:3 3). Jesus appeared to them there and told them, stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high (Luke 24:49). He was appearing to them during forty days (Acts 1:3), and charged them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise ... (Acts 1:4)

90. To whom did the Midianites sell Joseph?

To the Ishmaelites (Genesis 37:28)
To Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh (Genesis 37:36)

91. Who brought Joseph to Egypt?

The Ishmaelites bought Joseph and then took Joseph to Egypt (Genesis 37:28)
The Midianites had sold him in Egypt (Genesis 37:36)
Joseph said to his brothers I am your brother, Joseph, whom you sold into Egypt (Genesis 45:4)

92. Does God change his mind?

Yes. The word of the Lord came to Samuel: I repent that I have made Saul King... (I Samuel 15:10 to 11)
No. God will not lie or repent; for he is not a man, that he should repent (I Samuel 15:29)

Yes. And the Lord repented that he had made Saul King over Israel (I Samuel 15:35). Notice that the above three quotes are all from the same chapter of the same book! In addition, the Bible shows that God repented on several other occasions:

i. The Lord was sorry that he made man (Genesis 6:6)

I am sorry that I have made them (Genesis 6:7)

ii. And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do to his people (Exodus 32:14).

iii. (Lots of other such references).

93. The Bible says that for each miracle Moses and Aaron demonstrated the magicians did the same by their secret arts. Then comes the following feat:

Moses and Aaron converted all the available water into blood (Exodus 7:20-21)
The magicians did the same (Exodus 7:22). This is impossible, since there would have been no water left to convert into blood.

94. Who killed Goliath?

David (I Samuel 17:23, 50)
Elhanan (2 Samuel 21:19)

95. Who killed Saul?

Saul took his own sword and fell upon it.... Thus Saul died... (I Samuel 31:4-6)
An Amalekite slew him (2 Samuel 1:1- 16)

96. Does every man sin?

Yes. There is no man who does not sin (I Kings 8:46; see also 2 Chronicles 6:36; Proverbs 20:9; Ecclesiastes 7:20; and I John 1:810)
No. True Christians cannot possibly sin, because they are the children of God. Every one who believes that Jesus is the Christ is a child of God.. (I John 5:1). We should be called children of God; and so we are (I John 3: 1). He who loves is born of God (I John 4:7). No one born of God commits sin; for Gods nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God (I John 3:9). But, then again, Yes! If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (I John 1:8)

97. Who will bear whose burden?

Bear one anothers burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ (Galatians 6:2)
Each man will have to bear his own load (Galatians 6:5)

98. How many disciples did Jesus appear to after his resurrection?

Twelve (I Corinthians 15:5)
Eleven (Matthew 27:3-5 and Acts 1:9-26, see also Matthew 28:16; Mark 16:14 footnote; Luke 24:9; Luke 24:3 3)

99. Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days ... (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

100. Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?

Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

101. When Jesus walked on water how did the disciples respond?

They worshipped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God (Matthew 14:33)
They were utterly astounded, for they did not understand about the loaves, but their hearts were hardened (Mark 6:51-52)
Аватар PeterТитулы Иисуса в Коране28.10.2011 в 04:15#12358
Salam vsem.
Prosto dlya utochneniya, na armeyskon yazike "pomazennik" oznachaet "vibranniy Bogom". Tak v pervichnix istochnikax na originalnom yazike Biblii "pomazennik" ispolzovalsa takje v otnoshenii drugix lyudey i jivotnix.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу22.10.2011 в 05:25#12221
Vo vseh strarix tekstax Biblii Isus (s.a.) obrashalsa k Bogu kak Elah.
Аватар PeterКак американский проповедник Свидетелей Иеговы пришел к Исламу22.10.2011 в 05:06#12220
Salam vsem.
prosto xotel dlya informasii dobavit. Slovo Yegova v originalnix tekstax otsustvuet.Vmesto etoga est tri bukvi bez glastnix. Vot eti bukvi 18 veke odin iz xristianskix uchenix rasshifroval kak Yegova. No seychas mnogie xristianskie uchenie priznali oshibochnost etih rasshifrovok.Nikto krome Boga neznaet kak proiznositsa eti tri bukvi. Osnovnaya massa bibleyskix uchenix priznali imya Boga v Biblii kak dva LL, eto ishodit iz imen Prorokov posle kotorix pisalis dva LL.
Аватар PeterХристианские ученые признают противоречия в Библии. Время быть немного честнее16.10.2011 в 07:41#12040
Misha,AAWRWB. Vi postoraytes ponyat chto Bibliya (na kototuyu Vi opiraetes) dlya musulman eto slova Allaha, Ego prorokov, Isi s.a. a takje apostelov i osnovnoe istorikov i biografov kotorie neimeli otnoshenie k Ise a.s..V danniy moment ochen mnoga versiy Bibley, i stareyshim iz nix yavlyaetsa Bibliya "K", kotoruyu Vi ne periznayote.Esli Vi naytete Bibliyu ot Isi s.a., to mi budem ego pochitat i uvajat.No chto Vi seychas imeete, eto iskajenniy variant Biblii, iskajonnost katoroy priznan vsemi vidnami uchenami Mira. V Karane, kogda upominaetsa Bibliya, imeetsa v vidu versiya Biblii, kotoriy bil nisposlan Ise s.a.. Ne tot poddelka, kototuyu Vi imeete. Takje Karan govorit chto Bibliya kotoruyu vi imeete iskajena, eto pottverjdayut mnogie xristianskie uchenie toje. Esli vozmyote "red letter Bible", to uvidete chto 90 procentov Biblii eto slova lyudey, nikogda nevidevshix Isa Masiha. Prosto xotel skazat, chto ya zakonchil Bibleysiy Universitet. To est u menya dostatocno glubokie znaniya v etoy oblasti, chto mogu chitat teksti pisaniy v originale. I ya prishel v Islam, cherez xristianstvo. I takix kak ya ochen mnoga, k primeru moy Professor. Prostoy lyudskoy sovet Vam, izuchayte xristianstvo glubje i nauchno, i Vi poymyote gde Vi pravi i gde net.
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